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		<title>By: Beware of gurus &#124; Patrick Wanis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beware of gurus &#124; Patrick Wanis</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Beware of gurus &#124; Patrick Wanis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beware of gurus &#124; Patrick Wanis</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Patrick Wanis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Wanis</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would also like to add a little more information regarding the Sweat Lodge ceremony. This is an entry from Dean Leh:

The &quot;sweatlodge&quot; ceremony should never be performed by anyone other than a Native American shaman, or authentic Medicine Man, Woman, or Healer who has been trained and commissioned to do so by their Indigenous cultural Tradition. The sweatlodge ceremony (Inipi Ceremony) is actually one of the Seven Sacred Rites of the Lakota People and has been passed down through many generations of Lakota. This ceremony is not taught to non-Native Americans nor should they be leading these ceremonies. Authentic Indigenous healers who have inherited and maintained these sacred traditions have issued formal statements about the standards to be observed in the celebration of the Inipi Ceremony. In the March 2003 Meeting of Elders, it was agreed among the spiritual leaders and Bundle-Keepers of the Lakota, Dakota, Nakota, Cheyenne and Arapahoe Nations that those who perform this sacred rite should be able to communicate with Tunkashilas (Grandfathers) in their Native Plains languages. They should also have earned this right by completing the Hanblecheyapi Ceremony (Vision Quest) and participated in the the four days and four years of the Wiwanyangwacipi Ceremony (the Sun Dance). At the Lakota Summit V, an international gathering of United States and Canadian Lakota, Dakota and Nakota Nations, 500 representatives from over 40 different tribes and bands of the Lakota unanimously passed a &quot;Declaration of War Against Exploiters of Lakota Spirituality.&quot; This Declaration was passed on June 10, 1993. This Declaration specifies that these sacred ceremonies are only to be performed by authentic medicine people and healers of the Lakota, Dakota, Nakota and other authentic Native American tribes. Non-Native Americans have no right whatsoever to perform these sacred rites any more than a non-priest has a right to celebrate the Mass or the Divine Liturgy. Everything has been stolen from the Native American peoples. Now, even their sacred ceremonies and rites are being stolen. What happened in this tragic situation is an example of what happens when New-Age charlatans &quot;steal&quot; sacred Indigenous rites which are not theirs and which they have no legitimate right to perform. Thank you for listening to my concerns. 
Respectfully,

Dean Leh, M.A., M.S.Ed. 

May I humbly but firmly add that this is one example of how in the Western world we have chosen to take sacred rituals and turn them simply into commercial ventures. This also applies to the many yogas that are now being touted and the people who mix yoga and stretching and other sporting activtiies in an attempt to sell something. Research the original Yoga and you will learn it was not designed to be a stretching class but rather a spiritual experience and practice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also like to add a little more information regarding the Sweat Lodge ceremony. This is an entry from Dean Leh:</p>
<p>The &#8220;sweatlodge&#8221; ceremony should never be performed by anyone other than a Native American shaman, or authentic Medicine Man, Woman, or Healer who has been trained and commissioned to do so by their Indigenous cultural Tradition. The sweatlodge ceremony (Inipi Ceremony) is actually one of the Seven Sacred Rites of the Lakota People and has been passed down through many generations of Lakota. This ceremony is not taught to non-Native Americans nor should they be leading these ceremonies. Authentic Indigenous healers who have inherited and maintained these sacred traditions have issued formal statements about the standards to be observed in the celebration of the Inipi Ceremony. In the March 2003 Meeting of Elders, it was agreed among the spiritual leaders and Bundle-Keepers of the Lakota, Dakota, Nakota, Cheyenne and Arapahoe Nations that those who perform this sacred rite should be able to communicate with Tunkashilas (Grandfathers) in their Native Plains languages. They should also have earned this right by completing the Hanblecheyapi Ceremony (Vision Quest) and participated in the the four days and four years of the Wiwanyangwacipi Ceremony (the Sun Dance). At the Lakota Summit V, an international gathering of United States and Canadian Lakota, Dakota and Nakota Nations, 500 representatives from over 40 different tribes and bands of the Lakota unanimously passed a &#8220;Declaration of War Against Exploiters of Lakota Spirituality.&#8221; This Declaration was passed on June 10, 1993. This Declaration specifies that these sacred ceremonies are only to be performed by authentic medicine people and healers of the Lakota, Dakota, Nakota and other authentic Native American tribes. Non-Native Americans have no right whatsoever to perform these sacred rites any more than a non-priest has a right to celebrate the Mass or the Divine Liturgy. Everything has been stolen from the Native American peoples. Now, even their sacred ceremonies and rites are being stolen. What happened in this tragic situation is an example of what happens when New-Age charlatans &#8220;steal&#8221; sacred Indigenous rites which are not theirs and which they have no legitimate right to perform. Thank you for listening to my concerns.<br />
Respectfully,</p>
<p>Dean Leh, M.A., M.S.Ed. </p>
<p>May I humbly but firmly add that this is one example of how in the Western world we have chosen to take sacred rituals and turn them simply into commercial ventures. This also applies to the many yogas that are now being touted and the people who mix yoga and stretching and other sporting activtiies in an attempt to sell something. Research the original Yoga and you will learn it was not designed to be a stretching class but rather a spiritual experience and practice.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Wanis</title>
		<link>http://patrickwanis.com/blog/beware-of-gurus-the-interview/comment-page-1/#comment-1315</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Wanis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is such a tragic story, and as I predicted when it first happened, James Ray is now facing 3 counts of manslaughter and appeared in court yesterday February 3, 2010. 

As I mentioned in the above interview and to which I would like to add now, this entire saga raises the questions surrounding the movie and book, “The Secret.” James Arthur Ray is one of the featured speakers and “gurus” in the book and movie “The Secret” which teaches that based on the Law of Attraction we create our own reality and we do so by what we focus on i.e. we attract to us those things we focus on, and we can have anything we want simply by visualizing it. Based on that belief and argument, the very belief and teaching of James Ray, what was James Ray focusing on and visualizing to attract this event into his life? 

In other words, this is where the Law of Attraction fails and is quickly torn apart, there is much more involved in creating our reality and world than simply visualizing or fantasizing about something…otherwise we must conclude that James Ray was visualizing daily his appearance in court charged with 3 counts of manslaughter…]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is such a tragic story, and as I predicted when it first happened, James Ray is now facing 3 counts of manslaughter and appeared in court yesterday February 3, 2010. </p>
<p>As I mentioned in the above interview and to which I would like to add now, this entire saga raises the questions surrounding the movie and book, “The Secret.” James Arthur Ray is one of the featured speakers and “gurus” in the book and movie “The Secret” which teaches that based on the Law of Attraction we create our own reality and we do so by what we focus on i.e. we attract to us those things we focus on, and we can have anything we want simply by visualizing it. Based on that belief and argument, the very belief and teaching of James Ray, what was James Ray focusing on and visualizing to attract this event into his life? </p>
<p>In other words, this is where the Law of Attraction fails and is quickly torn apart, there is much more involved in creating our reality and world than simply visualizing or fantasizing about something…otherwise we must conclude that James Ray was visualizing daily his appearance in court charged with 3 counts of manslaughter…</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Rodriguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Patrick,
Thank you so much for taking the time out of your busy schedule to address this issue.  I read every word of the interview carefully and I came to see where I was wrong.  Yes!  Just as you said, there&#039;s a lesson in everyone and everything we experience in life.  I was putting James Ray on a pedestal.  
I realize now that what made me upset about Dave Lakhani&#039;s criticism of him was the fact that he accused James Ray of being narcissistic and I couldn&#039;t accept that James Ray could even have such a flaw.  I didn&#039;t want to believe that someone like James Ray could become narcissistic.  I felt, &quot;No way!  He would be above such a thing because he&#039;s a person who&#039;s constantly working on himself, bettering himself.  There&#039;s no way that someone like him could fall prey to being narcissistic!&quot;
But after reading your interview and realizing how we are all human and that includes, James Ray,  I can now see that ANYONE, absolutely ANYONE, can fall prey to their own ego.  It is, as you pointed out, a question of being balanced.
It&#039;s funny but this reminds me of something my humble, unknowing &quot;guru&quot; Dad always says to me, &quot;Life has a way of humbling you sometimes.  Of bringing you down when you get too high on that pedestal of yours and think you can control it all.&quot;  Now I can see the wisdom of his words and maybe James Ray will too, in his own way.
Thank you Patrick for imparting your insight on all this and helping us all see the light at the end of the tunnel and the hope waiting there for us.  Thank you!  Thank you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick,<br />
Thank you so much for taking the time out of your busy schedule to address this issue.  I read every word of the interview carefully and I came to see where I was wrong.  Yes!  Just as you said, there&#8217;s a lesson in everyone and everything we experience in life.  I was putting James Ray on a pedestal.<br />
I realize now that what made me upset about Dave Lakhani&#8217;s criticism of him was the fact that he accused James Ray of being narcissistic and I couldn&#8217;t accept that James Ray could even have such a flaw.  I didn&#8217;t want to believe that someone like James Ray could become narcissistic.  I felt, &#8220;No way!  He would be above such a thing because he&#8217;s a person who&#8217;s constantly working on himself, bettering himself.  There&#8217;s no way that someone like him could fall prey to being narcissistic!&#8221;<br />
But after reading your interview and realizing how we are all human and that includes, James Ray,  I can now see that ANYONE, absolutely ANYONE, can fall prey to their own ego.  It is, as you pointed out, a question of being balanced.<br />
It&#8217;s funny but this reminds me of something my humble, unknowing &#8220;guru&#8221; Dad always says to me, &#8220;Life has a way of humbling you sometimes.  Of bringing you down when you get too high on that pedestal of yours and think you can control it all.&#8221;  Now I can see the wisdom of his words and maybe James Ray will too, in his own way.<br />
Thank you Patrick for imparting your insight on all this and helping us all see the light at the end of the tunnel and the hope waiting there for us.  Thank you!  Thank you!</p>
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